Genocide In A Different Light

Sitaram: Since we all must die one day, therefore, all things eventually pass away. It is hard for people to recognize the benefits of a frame of mind which desires the respite of death. If one fears death, and desires to live forever, then they are doomed to disappointment

Krishna: One should accept death

Sitaram: Whereas, if one welcomes the relief of death, then, one is guaranteed that their wish shall one day be granted

Krishna: True

Sitaram: Even though it may seem an eternity away

Krishna: I personally try to live life like there's no tomorrow for I might die even right now

Sitaram: I suppose the greatest tragedy of every childhood is the deception that we are special, unique, loved unconditionally,.... but we mature to discover a world that is indifferent to us

Krishna: Sigh

Sitaram: A world in which we are not special, but, rather, disposable. That is one of my recent insights into what seems the tragedy of my childhood

Krishna: well I could share that sentiment, but everything in my course of life had its purpose for happening

Sitaram: well, without each and every experience in life, we would be someone slightly different than who we are

Krishna: its only when you reflect upon the past to understand its purpose that you tend to progress in the future

Sitaram: without the Nazi Holocaust, there would be no "Schindler's List", no Viktor Frankl, and perhaps no independent state of Israel

Krishna: yes

Sitaram: so, everything is interconnected in some fashion

Krishna: yes, certainly. I had a discussion with a friend of mine with regards to Hitler and all the other evil(s) in the world and I would suppose everything has a purpose and despite its accidence in occurrence

Sitaram: this weekend, we rented a DVD of a German film entitled "Downfall" (with subtitles, and a commentary in English), of Hitler's final weeks and the actor looks EXACTLY like Hitler, it is freaky

Krishna: hahaha
well they never found Hitler's body

Sitaram: when I watch such things, I always feel intense admiration for the perfection of the German military machine. My father was present the day the German army surrendered. He looked over a vast sea of soldiers

Krishna: wow

Sitaram: and thought "this was the finest army that ever marched the earth
to this day, the German style machine gun is in use a miracle of simplicity and reliability

Krishna: yes

Sitaram: in the 1960s, an American senator of German ancestry wrote " years of the German High Command" in which he demonstrated that, decade after decade, battle after battle, even in defeat, they were superb, with enormous kill rates. Of course Nazi ideology was monstrous

Krishna: yes

Sitaram: oh that movie documentary mentioned that only ONE person in the German high command, during his trial, admitted that what they did is wrong he did not apologize, but he stated that it was wrong all the others sought to escape blame...

Krishna: hmmmm

Sitaram: but, they all knew that defeat meant standing trial

Krishna: yes

Sitaram: the movie emphasized that Hitler was never mad, but always knew exactly what he was doing even when he seemed to have rages of temper violent temper he used everything as a tool to influence, manipulate and his charisma was astonishing the German people worshiped him, and called him "Uncle Addie" Addie being a nickname for Adolph

Krishna: yes, being in absolute control of himself

Sitaram: and his affair with mistress Eva Braun was kept a secret
They interview people who were still alive, who had been with Hitler in their attempt for accuracy. One elderly woman had been a secretary to Hitler. They interviewed her, and she said "I did not HAVE to take the job, but I was curious..."

Krishna: ah

Sitaram: She now feels or rather sees, the sinister evil of the entire enterprise

Krishna: Yes

Krishna: but its something that much of the world cant fathom, that the German people actually loved this man

Sitaram: well, but, stop and think, whenever we are in the midst of something like slavery, or Japanese internment, or Guantanamo, or Iraq, it all seems to make perfect sense it is all righteous and justifiable.... or at very least, a necessary evil you know, that rock star who converted to Islam, many years ago... before 9/11 and all that...

Krishna: hmmm

Sitaram: was interviewed in some documentary,.... and when questioned regarding death sentences prescribed for those who insult Mohammad, answered "well, yes, they should be killed"


Stevens was his name with some first name like spike, or rip,... cant remember
oh, Cat Stevens, of Greek descent, most likely, raised Greek orthodox Christian


I read about one preacher turned civil war hero, after the civil war, who then became an Indian fighter

Krishna: ohhh

Sitaram: he was the one who killed all the women and children in one unarmed village... and said "Nits make lice" (meaning, kill even the infants the women came out of their tee pee tents, and opened their dresses to show their breasts, that they were women not to be killed and they hid the infants in the bushes

Krishna: God!

Sitaram: but, the soldiers sought out the infants, and smashed their heads on rocks
but.... consider the Hutu Tutsi genocide in Rwanda

Krishna: hmmmm

Sitaram: but... they would slaughter innocent people with machetes

Krishna: its heinous

Sitaram: my point is, in each circumstance, at that moment, people felt justified
think of those in Africa who might still poach ivory,... or Brazilian entrepreneurs who continue to cut down rain forest

Krishna: yea

Sitaram: they see it as survival, or some right

Krishna: the concept of rights and freedoms

Sitaram: I was thinking of writing a curious hypothetical scenario

Krishna: needs much elucidation in modern times

Sitaram: imagine that you are a native American Indian, living in the 13th century, long before the white European really began to explore the new world and your tribe gains the knowledge and foresight that there is a continent filled with a race of people who will come and destroy your entire way of life as hunters and food gatherers and, they will ultimately destroy the entire ecosystem

Krishna: hmmm

Sitaram: furthermore, imagine that your tribe discovers some means to commit proactive genocide, and destroy the entire continent of Caucasians now, in your mind, your way of life represents everything that is good you need no medicines or health care, because natural selection means that all who survive are most hardy

Krishna: ok

Sitaram: perhaps they live only years, but those are years of vitality, and a meaningful life

Krishna: hehe I see where your question is going

Sitaram: so, you see the alien nations of Europe as some disease the coming industrial revolution ultimately destroys the planet, and all life forms

Sitaram: so, you see the Europeans as the camp of Satan

Krishna: what would you do?

Sitaram: not only are you justified in genocide, in your mind, as a defensive measure
but, it seems to you as your moral duty to annihilate all Europeans and Asians because you must defend the environment itself and all the animals

Krishna: well.. I would suppose my approach would be different

Sitaram: so, your tribe sees European and Asian civilization in the same light as Marxists see capitalism. They are your ideological enemy


Krishna: Kill them all right off the bat???

Sitaram: well, genocide only works all at once and right off the bat, while one has the window of opportunity

Krishna: and perfection only lies at the balance of both I wouldnt.. participate in genocide

Sitaram: now, I am not saying that this scenario makes things right or wrong. I am simply pointing out how genocide might seem the only choice to those native Americans

Krishna: yes but I realize humans the fallacy of mankind has been throughout time to take a camp and try to stick to it and not appreciate the balance of both

Sitaram: the most foolish comment I have ever heard in my life was one fellow on the Internet who insisted that war was not necessary during World War II, but that the Nazis might have been dealt with in a more peaceful fashion

You see, your horror at genocide, or anyone's horror, is a product of cultural conditioning Americans see the death penalty as necessary and justified...
whereas the European Common Market will not admit any nation who imposes capital punishment

Krishna: I simply dont have the right to take another's life.. even forcibly wouldn't convince me until it comes to a point where I have to for my own interests life is at harm


Sitaram: and in America, you see conservative protestant Christians, who pay lip service to love of ones enemy, ... and yet they thirst for the justice of an execution

Krishna: that's hypocrisy

Sitaram: but, don't you see, those native Americans, in that hypothetical scenario, see their fate and the worlds fate in a crystal ball so, for them, there IS not choice

They MUST deploy their weapons of mass destruction NOW, to prevent the future enslavement

Krishna: well this was exactly what I was talking about with my friend days ago
if the British empire had ceased to exist would we be still here?

Sitaram: there was a British Television series in the s called "Dr. Who" in many episodes he battles the evil Daleks, who are like Nazi robots but, in one episode, Dr. Who has found a way to touch two wires together, and complete a circuit, which will destroy all Daleks in a kind of genocide

Dr. Who hesitates, and his companions ask WHY, why do you hesitate? Why not destroy this hideous Dalek enemy?

Dr. Who says "Well, two reasons...
1, I would become just like my Dalek enemy, who seek genocide

but, 2, I know the future, of how so many adversarial nations unite to fight the common Dalek enemy so, all that unity and harmony would never come to pass, should the Daleks be destroyed NOW

Krishna: ah

Sitaram: so, Dr. Who never touches the wires to complete the circuit and annihilate the Daleks well, the native American tribe in our hypothetical scenario might have TWO crystal balls in one, they see the future of enslavement, and the destruction of the ecosystem in the other, they see some THIRD possible human society, which is superior to both European and native American

Krishna: hmmmmm
or perhaps even some future in which humans become extinct, but, consciousness persists in their cyborg AI creations much like those aliens who visit the earth in Spielberg's A.I. movie

Krishna: hmmmm

Sitaram: where the robot child, David, has survived frozen for millennia, on the dead planet

Krishna: yes

Sitaram: but, the aliens who visit, are possibly (i cant remember), the products of a similar AI technology and they seek to study the original organic human life forms.... to understand something of the spirit which existed in such creatures

Krishna: hmmm

Sitaram: and which now no longer exists in cyborg consciousness. So, from one point of view, true and sincere pacifists should choose slavery or death over violence
and were the western societies truly pacifist, they might all convert to Islam, simply to achieve harmony and peace. Yet we know that if all the world was Muslim tomorrow, the Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Kurds etc, would most likely continue their slaughter and mayhem, fueled by doctrinal disputes

Krishna: hmmmm
well slavery in the form of religion

Sitaram: we might gaze in that OTHER crystal ball, and see, or seem to see, the greater good in aggressive measures which transform the Islamic world into a world of secular humanists now, the destruction of a culture or way of life is reckoned as ETHNOCIDE, even if the people remain alive

Krishna: hmmmm

Sitaram: an example of which is China's ethnocide of Tibetan culture

So, in a sense, the west contemplates the ethnocide of the Islamic Umma Sharia way of life. They do not desire to annihilate/exterminate the people, but only through Internet and Nike and McDonalds, to annihilate the cultural values and way of life

Krishna: yes

Sitaram: since technology, prosperity, and pleasure is quite seductive to the youth

Krishna: ok I like this perspective,interesting

Sitaram: so, Islam is defeated by ipods and hotdogs, and Netflix
but, it is STILL a form of ethnocide,

Krishna: hmmmmmmm

Sitaram: so, you see, now in our dialogue, I have sketched out what I was hoping to write/blog